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Posted April 19, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Yee-ha: The public debate is on

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Commentary from Mikki

Well here it is...the public debate between a Glenn Sacks father's rights crony (Robert Franklin) and myself on PublicSquare.net. Read, laugh, seethe, comment. I actually love the opportunity to offer a rational perspective, even if my opponent has a decidedly different viewpoint. Such as Franklin's view that Choice Moms often trick men into having kids and then lie to keep them out of the child's life. Here's a synopsis, with links to the full debate.

Round 1: Mikki
"Many women decide that the realities of single motherhood are too daunting for their particular situation, values, or temperament and decide to remain childless. Others do everything they can to build up the strengths of this choice. The women who choose this path tend to be highly self-sufficient, 'can-do' women who find solutions, build strong networks, and are devoted to motherhood. Like our successful counterparts who are widowed or divorced, we seek out male role models and build support within our families of origin and our school, church, and fellow parenting community. Like a family quilt, we blend together the many good materials we have in ourselves and our networks to create something greater than the sum of its parts.
...A majority of kids raised in single-parent homes, in fact, do quite well. That’s why I find it useful to look at quality parenting (not quantity parenting) to determine what has worked, so that the wisdom of good parenting--not simply married parenting--can be passed along to benefit all."

Response 1: Robert Franklin
"The major problem with single-parent child-rearing is not what’s in the hearts of the parents; it’s how the children fare. As over four decades of social science tell us, children of single parents tend to fare worse than do those of intact families. Morrissette prefers to mostly ignore that fact; wiser parents will not....'Choice Moms' had...strong feelings of insecurity and lack of rootedness that they tried to assuage by becoming mothers. In short, for those women, motherhood was more about them than about the children...That continuing parade of males through the child’s life creates continually changing loyalties both on the part of the child and on the part of the mother as well."

My rebuttal:
"Robert Franklin is concerned about the struggling children in single-parent households. But in criticizing the decisions of hundreds of women to raise children on their own, he fails to make crucial distinctions between good parenting and bad parenting. Franklin’s use of statistics is misleading. You can base any number of generalized opinions on what certain numbers tell you. For example:

  • Men are four times more likely than females to be heavy drinkers; more than 40 percent of separated or divorced women were married to or lived with a problem drinker or alcoholic.
  • Women are three times more likely to be assaulted by a spouse than men are. About one-third of the women murdered in the U.S. each year are killed by their partners, and roughly 1.3 million women are the victims of physical assault by a partner each year.

So if we look strictly at the numbers, men are more likely to be alcoholics, and women stand a high chance of being beaten up by their partners. Does this mean that a child will likely be exposed to abusive behavior from a man and that mothers can better protect their children and themselves by not having a partner?...Does Franklin think substance abuse might have something to do with the prevalence of single-parent homes with struggling children? If I had married and then divorced an abusive alcoholic, my kids probably wouldn’t be as healthy as they are now. And if I was a substance abuser, I certainly wouldn’t expect my spouse to stay with me for the sake of keeping the children in a two-parent home....

I expect Franklin is not proposing that women should gladly raise their children with sex offenders, alcoholics, and abusers in order to shield their children from the evils of a single-parent household. And while we’re on the topic, pedophiles, gang members and the chronically unfaithful--who all tend to be men as well--don’t hold much appeal as parenting partners either. I know Franklin would take offense at the idea that, based on the statistics, the odds are that a child will be exposed to abusive behavior from a man and thus all children should be separated from their fathers. It’s the same reason I take offense at the idea that a child is likely to suffer in a single-parent home. The majority of men are good fathers and husbands, just as the majority of single-parent households are good environments for their children. Yes, it’s hard to be a great parent if you are financially and emotionally handling everything without a strong partner by your side. But, by and large, we do pretty well."

Franklin rebuttal:
"Not only does Morrissette abjure science, but she also neglects to mention just how a woman comes to be a single mother by choice....The decision to become a "Choice Mother" is the decision to have a child without a father involved in the child’s life. One way utilizes the services of a sperm bank, and another is adoption, but both are fairly rare. The dark side of 'Choice Motherhood' includes things like paternity fraud and the simple expedient of the woman lying to the man about whether she’s pregnant or, if he knows about the pregnancy, lying about the identity of the father."

So....this just scratches the surface of the debate. Use the blue links above each synopsis to read in full. Then LEND YOUR VOICE to the discussion. Let's keep reminding everyone that we are rational, thinking women who carefully consider what we are doing in raising a child on our own. We won't change the mind of people like Franklin, but I think we can use this opportunity to proudly point to our own successes as mothers, including that of our Single Mother by Choice pioneers whose children are now grown, to remind anyone who actually wants to listen that we are smart, capable families -- not perfect or stress-free at all, but certainly doing very well even without a second partner in the home.

Mikki

Reader Comments

Posted May 17, 2010 at 2:44 PM

I think our statistics of single parenting comes from lots of teenage pregnancy, poor communities and while our community is really just in the beginning stages of becoming a substantial community, we cannot judged by those statistics. They are skewed and should be categorized accordingly.. I agree.. Women who choose, choose because they have the means.. Others let it happens and deal with it later.. Father or no father.. Married or not.. Loser or not!! We do not live in a perfect world where there are thousands of good men to choose from.. And lets throw in the fact that men have a negative view on marriage and so NOONE seems to be getting marreid anymore.. Lets look at these statistics.. How over the years, marriage has become a less priority...even for couples.. Let go and Let live!

Posted April 22, 2010 at 8:57 PM

The cost effective route would be to trick a guy, or allow one to pick me up and impregnate me...

The wise choice is to find a donor who best matches me to give my child every advantage in health & life... even if it costs me $10's of thousands (vs. getting a couple of free drinks). I have a best friend who would donate (free of charge & obligation) in a heartbeat... however with his family history (himself included) of cancer - he is not the right choice for my child.

Franklin is sorely misinformed.

Posted April 21, 2010 at 9:06 PM

I've posted regularly on Glenn Sacks's blog. While I do find him to be fair and not as sexist as many say he is, Mr. Franklin is another story. His constant connection "trapping men" to choice motherhood is not surprising given his views over at Sacks's blog.
Keep up the good work, Mikki.

LorMarie, proud choicemom

Posted April 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM

For someone who wants to defer to science RF is full of anecdotes and is certainly not scientific in his survey of the profile of CHOICE Moms. As for the darker side, CHOICE Moms have seen it and chosen to have their children without subjecting them to it. Besides, I know far more "chance and circumstance" moms where the man has walked away after being confronted with the truth (ie. pregnancy)than this so-called "paternity fraud" he is congering up anecdotally. and we CC Moms are a minority, the vast majority of the paternal side were volunteers who were devlivered in a test tube. Now that's what I call scientific!

Posted April 21, 2010 at 12:00 AM

Thanks to all who are adding to the discussion on PublicSquare.net, and here. Note that Robert Franklin's own viewpoint of our debate is in his Fathers and Families blog, which you can read here: http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=4751

He doesn't seem to understand the definition of Choice Motherhood -- continuing to think that we make a habit of tricking men into parenthood and then denying them rights. That's his business after all, as an advocate, and he seems to think most of us take that route to motherhood. Obviously he doesn't realize how many of us are trying to learn from doctors how to conceive, and where to find the right sperm bank, and which adoption agencies will work with singles.

He also maintains that all single-parent families are built the same and pale in comparison to all two-parent families.

So, again, as Holly pointed out here, there is no purpose served in beating our heads against a door that will never open. What we can and will continue to do here in the ChoiceMoms.org community is share the ways we succeed, insight for helping with the stress, and offering real experts on everything from money management to solid parenting.

Mikki

Posted April 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM

Aha! I suggest this person read a little history of our society before talking about "child wellbeing", and "two parent families are preferable". What does that mean specifically? Trough Europe's history family structure was never "two parent families" the way we intend it. This concept is very recent; when marriage begun to be based on love instead of upon need. Once upon a time and until roughly 1960 marriage was about creating a "household firm". That means that most of the institution of marriage was based on money matters and social acceptance, not upon motivation and feelings. Now that we assist to the failure of most of this kind of marriages (love doesn't last a lifetime) couples with or without kids go through divorce. So what? This is simply the way society is changing, and single motherhood by choice is just another path that financially stable women can take nowadays. Of course for conservative thinking men this is challenge: women have been submitted for millenniums, and the main reason was because men wanted to have control over new-borns- since only females have the gift of being able to carry. But this is pretty old stuff Mr Franklin can read in lots of books (if ha wants to make an effort....!)

Posted April 19, 2010 at 2:48 PM

I cannot think of much worse a fate than wanting to be an involved parent yet not being allowed to play a role in my child's life. I also welcome reasonable discussion with people of character who live lives contrary to my own. After reading the debate, I am left with these comments: 1)I do not resemble or recognize any Choice Moms in the ramblings of Robert Franklin. Does he really think he is talking about me? a 42 year old, single professional, home owning, known to sometimes vote republican, christian on most days, prefers to have a partner but not waiting anymore because there are more children in the US than our married families will adopt? parade of men? are you kidding me? 2) You reduced him to stories about mothers who murdered their children? Really?

Keep your focus on solution building and make us proud. I myself will write him off unless I can understand where he has evangelized real change that has had impact.

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